Topic on Talk:Mr. Ford

Sbeve (talkcontribs)

He can't be Pouches counterpart, since Pouches had a cut NPC in development that looked more like him and I don't think they would cut him and make his counterpart someone who doesn't look like him, in addition to this, Ford's inverse clothes are Wilfre's clothes. I understand people not liking theories being posted here and when I put this in the triva it was removed and that's why I'm asking this here for peoples thoughts on the theory. If you're confused on some points just ask. Also Wilfre and Ford don't have counterparts, not counting Pouches who as I said had his counterpart cut.

BakiDance (talkcontribs)

The problem with theories/speculation is that, without substantial evidence, it's oft safer to err on the side of caution. In this case, if Wilfre, Pouches, and Mr. Ford are the only three without obvious counterparts, then I'd say something along the lines of, "It is unknown who Mr. Ford's counterpart is. Wilfre and Pouches are possible answers. However, this is speculation."

In other words, you can put speculation onto the page, but only after stating the fact (that it is unknown), and the speculation must be labeled. After that, I wouldn't spend any additional time trying to prove it (such as with the comparison image) and let the reader deduce. It is still unknown at the end of the day, and obviously, there's disagreement around this fact.

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)

Wilfre is Mikes, Pouches is Mr. Ford's simply due to Pouches and Ford being the only two with no obvious connections

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)

Plus, if the character is cut, theyre out of the running automatically

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)

And before you ask about Wilfre and Mike, they have identical color pallets (Ender has the pic iirc) and theyre the only non-divine characters able to travel between realms

BakiDance (talkcontribs)

I don't plan on replaying TR anytime soon, but where's the connection between Mike and Wilfre? I wouldn't assume them to be associated.

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)

None of these connections are in game, all of them are purely sprite based. Also, the connections have no impact on the game whatsoever, but when you put some of the sprites together, (just look at Amy, Kyren, Nima, Anita, Kate, and Tiffany), it's obvious that they were meant to be counterparts

BakiDance (talkcontribs)

Okay, that sounds more like speculation to me, not too dissimilar from the similar-outfit/inverted colors theory. I can understand Pouches/Mr. Ford, but I don't see obvious connections for Mike and Wilfre.

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)
BakiDance (talkcontribs)

For the ones that are obvious matches, I don't mind mentioning counterparts on the respective articles. However, some of these aren't as clear as the rest, and for those it would be best not to mention who the counterpart is, but who they might be, along with the possibility that there might not be one at all. Given that Heather doesn't have one (even if one was intended at some point), it's not unlikely Mike would lack one, also.

Going off sprites, I could also make a strong connection between Ford and Indee, leaving Bobby without an obvious match. I don't think it's possible to be definite here.

ToolAssistedTAS (talkcontribs)

Why are we having this conversation? When writing a good story shouldn't you establish this in the game if you want it to be true. This goes for all theories.

GuyThatExists (talkcontribs)

Can we close this thread?

BakiDance (talkcontribs)

I'll keep it up for a little bit in case anyone else wants to weigh in, but if you want to stop receiving alerts for it click the star at the top!

BreGee (talkcontribs)

I'm not too familiar with TR, but I think that Indee makes way more sense as Fords counterpart.

All the counterparts sprites seem to have many things in common with their sprites. For example they usually have the same eye/glasses shape or share at least one major color in terms of palette.

I don't know if there's more evidence for the other counterparts compared to this, but I think this and Ford's apparent characterization are clear evidence that Ford's Raposa counterpart is very likely Indee.